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Literature in the Hoysala Empire
- Nominator(s): Dineshkannambadi (talk)
I'm nominating this article for featured article because I believe it deserves a FA status. The article discusses an important period in the development of medieval Kannada literature. The article has completed a peer review by User:Ruhrfisch and User:Redtigerxyz and is well cited from reliable sources. MOS check was done by User:Epbr123 and copy edits by User:Michael Devore, User:Finetooth and User:Dank55. Image issues have been cleared by User:Elcobbola.
Dineshkannambadi (talk) 02:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment: Blocks of references need to be in numerical order. I noticed quite a few out of order. Calor (talk) 03:00, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
- I will take care of this. thanks, Dineshkannambadi (talk) 03:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
- Done. Dineshkannambadi (talk) 03:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Samuel Johnson
- Nominator(s): Ottava Rima (talk), User:Malleus Fatuorum (talk) and User:SandyGeorgia (talk)
I'm nominating this article for featured article because it use to look like this. After 700 edits, and an addition of citations from many major scholarly sources on the subject, an extensive peer review, and constant reviewing on the talk page with full scale MoS check, plus a full scale image and ref check, I think it may be FA standards. If not, well ... User:Malleus Fatuorum and User:SandyGeorgia performed over 400 quality edits in the push to FA status, examining every minute detail with punctuation, grammar, language and MoS. They are the main reason why this is not simply a GA, and why I feel confident that this is FA quality. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Comment During a conversation with his biographer, Johnson became infuriated at the suggestion that Berkeley's idealism could not be refuted. In his anger, Johnson powerfully stomped a nearby stone and proclaimed of Berkeley's theory, "I refute it thus!"[200]
Presumably this interpretation of Johnson's emotions is based on a misunderstanding of the word alacrity? 86.44.27.122 (talk) 02:57, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
AMX-30E
- Nominator(s): JonCatalán (talk)
I started this article only a little while ago, and it recently passed an A-class review. As always, it probably needs the prose to be edited, but I will always be able to quickly make the necessary changes (although, I think the quality of my writing has improved since my first FAC). Otherwise, I believe it easily meets the requirements for FA. JonCatalán (talk) 18:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Comments Hello again. You seem to be churning out one excellent tank article after another. Here are my comments on this one:
- "...total production within Spain amounted to as much as 65%." 65% of what?
- "Spain's AMX-30Es went through two separate upgrades in the late 1980s, including a modernization program and a reconstruction program, each done to one half of the fleet." Including is unnecessary here.
- "In 1985 Indonesia expressed interest in the AMX-30E, while in 2004 the Spanish and Colombian governments were discussing the possible sale of around 40 AMX-30EM2s." Keep the tenses consistent:"In 1985 Indonesia expressed interest in the AMX-30E; in 2004 the Spanish and Colombian governments discussed the possible sale of around 40 AMX-30EM2s."
- "Ultimately, both of these possible trade deals fell through." Ultimately should be however, "of these possible" is redundant.
- "The M47 was first supplied to the Spanish army in the mid-1950s,[2] offering an improvement over the existing fleet of Panzer I, T-26 and Panzer IV tanks." Slightly awkward wording, I believe "offering an improvement over"-->"to replace" (delete the comma before if you make the change).
- I changed the hyphens to en dashes in the year ranges in the infobox—that was a problem in your last FAC too.
- A general issue of the article is the incosistency of spelling. Are you using British English, American English, or something else (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (spelling)?
- "However, the Leopard boasted of greater armor protection than the AMX-30,[10] partially accounting for the weight difference between the two tanks. However, the French AMX-30 was being sold at a cheaper price tag than the German Leopard 1." Let's combine these sentences to add flow: "Although the Leopard boasted greater armor than the AMX-30—partially accounting for the weight difference between the two tanks—the latter was sold at a cheaper price." Dabomb87 (talk) 02:37, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
- "Furthermore, in terms of lethality, at the time the French Obus G high explosive anti-tank (HEAT) round was one of the most advanced projectiles." Move "at the time" to the end of the sentence.
- "However, the Leopard was armed with the L7A3, capable of penetrating the frontal armor of the Soviet T-55 tank." I'm not sure that "however" is the correct contrasting term; try "on the other hand".
- "Whatever the advantages or disadvantages of either vehicle" Ambiguous statement that doesn't need to be there.
- "The UK's unwillingness to sell their L7 tank-gun, the low cost of the AMX-30, and the French offer to allow Spain to manufacture the tank, had decisively inclined the Spanish Army towards the French armored vehicle." "had decisively inclined the Spanish Army towards the French armored vehicle"-->"led the Spanish Army to favor the French armored vehicle".
I'll review the 2nd half of the article tomorrow. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
- Nominator(s): EclipseSSD (talk)
- previous FAC (05:06, 10 June 2008)
Self-Nomination: I am nominating The Texas Chain Saw Massacre for FA status, because between this nomination and the previous one, I believe that I and other editors have significantly improved and expanded this article enough for it to reach FA status. It is my opinion that the article explains all the relevant points in a good amount of detail, and has valid references to back up the statements made, where necessary.--EclipseSSD (talk) 17:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Comments on images
- Image:TheTexasChainSawMassacre-poster.jpg - This needs to indicate who owns the copyright - all fair use images must indicate who owns the copyright.
- Image:Groupshot.jpg - This fair use rationale makes no sense and is not applied to the Texas Chainsaw article.
- Image:Leatherface1974.jpg - There is no fair use rationale for the Texas Chainsaw article.
- Image:Tope Hooper TCM.JPG - I am not convinced that we need a fair use image of the director making the movie. What is an image of this necessary for the article?
- Image:Leatherfacenumber1.jpg - This is an insufficient fair use rationale. Please expand upon the reasoning for why this image must be included in the article to significantly enhance the reader's understanding of the film (see WP:NFCC). Also, there must be a separate fair use rationale for each article in which the image is used.
I hope these comments help! Awadewit (talk) 18:22, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment - I am addressing these issues right now.--EclipseSSD (talk) 19:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- (for the Tobe Hooper image) I just thought the way the film was shot would be relevant to the production section of the film. --EclipseSSD (talk) 20:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Issues Addressed. Feel free to go over and correct, if corrections need to be made. --EclipseSSD (talk) 20:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Support Once again, I support this article. If there's anything that I can do, let me know.--CyberGhostface (talk) 18:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Mangalore
- Nominator(s): Kensplanet - Talk
- previous FAC (08:03, 9 August 2008)
Well the article was not promoted last time due to some overlinking issues and due to mixing of cite xxx templates with citation templates. I have corrected it. After a thorough copyedit by User:Epbr123, I think the article is ready for a FAC. Thanks, Kensplanet (talk) 15:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support -- Like the last time. Remove excess images from the page. Seems to be flooded with unnecessary ones. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Removed New Mangalore Port Image. If some more images need to be commented out, then do inform us Kensplanet (talk) 15:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Comments on images
- Please see MOS:IMAGES and WP:PICTURE for image arrangement. Text is sandwiched by images in this article and the images could be alternated in some places. I also think there are probably too many images in the article.
- Image:Www.kamat.com 13034.jpg - Please strengthen the fair use rationale - why is this image necessary for the article? Why does it significantly enhance the reader's understanding of the article topic? (WP:NFCC) Is there no free image of the town hall?
- Image:Mangaladevi.jpg - Please add a description to this image. Also, I think "clicked by self" means the uploader and the photographer are the same, but I just wanted to make sure.
- Image:View from our Balcony - Industrial Mangalore.jpg - This image needs a description.
- Image:Mangalore fishing.JPG - Are we sure the photographer and the uploader are the same?
- Image:Demon Yakshagana.jpg - The source link to Flickr is broken and this image was never reviewed. If we cannot find the source again, we cannot use it.
- Image:Neer dosa03.jpg - Are we sure the uploader and the photographer are the same?
- Image:Mangalore City Corporation.jpg - This image needs a description. Also, are we sure the photographer and the uploader are the same?
- Image:NITK.jpg - This image needs a description. Also, who is the photographer?
All free images should be copied to Commons so that other Wikiprojects can use them. See this dispatch for advice about how to describe and tag self-made images. I'm sure resolving these issues will be easy. Awadewit (talk) 18:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Texas Tech University
- Nominator(s): Wordbuilder (talk), Elred (talk), Almosthonest06 (talk)
I am nominating this article for featured article. We have put considerable work into it recently, addressing the issues raised during its peer review and bringing it into line with what is required of a featured article. The important aspects of the subject are well covered and all claims are sourced. →Wordbuilder (talk) 14:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Comment Overall a very good effort with regards to banishing academic boosterism, populating daughter pages, high-quality pictures of campus, and referencing. Some nitpicks:
- Colleges & schools: While I find rankings odious, if you're going to include them, include them neutrally. The choice of rankings in this section seem to be cherry-picked to convey the institution in a better light as there are no US News rankings included for the schools of law or medicine which I would expect if you're including the same report at undergraduate and engineering. Likewise, has the institution been ranked by any of the other major publications like The Times Higher Education supplement, Shanghai Jiao Tong, The Center for Measuring Academic Performance, or Washington Monthly? Has Rawls been ranked by any of the publications on List of United States graduate business school rankings? I'm not saying that one should include every ranking ever, but if you're going to include USNEWS, you should include others as well to give a more NPOV portrait.
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- "The comprehensive and interdisciplinary research program aspires to exploit the useful qualities of wind and to mitigate its detrimental effects." Strike or merge as full of peacocked, mission statement-y, devoid of meaning statement. I found this sort of alternatively misson statement-y terminology or overgeneral sentence fragments airdropped into various paragraphs throughout the research, campus, and student life sections.
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Shouldn't this go under Alumni?Why is this repeated in research and alumni?
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- Reply - The sports rivalries, while they exist, are hard to source in any meaningful way. Also, we feel that the athletics section of the page is already pretty long (considering we have an entire page for TTU sports).--Elred (talk) 16:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Reply - Also, while the universities do collaborate to some degree on various endeavors, I think they are more likely to compete for resources and projects. As a side note, Texas Tech is about 400 miles away from both Texas A&M and University of Texas and 300 miles from Dallas. This may play a role as well. A&M, which itself has a featured article, makes only one anecdotal mention of collaboration with UT on a NASA project.--Elred (talk) 17:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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- While the article as a whole is NPOV, it also seems to be devoid of any mention of controversy. The history tends to give too much emphasis on the naming of the institution while ignoring what must have been contentious issues like racial integration, coeducation, war protests, counterculture, funding disputes with the legislature, contentious faculty departures, controversial student life policies, etc etc etc along the way.
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- Reply - On further examination, looking at other universities, it appears that the co-education trend generally took place in the late 1800s and very early 1900s. It seems most likely that by TTU's founding in 1923, co-education was a foregone conclusion. This would explain why we cannot find a single shred of information on the subject.--Elred (talk) 22:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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- I often go into university FACs expecting the worst, but I was actually pleasantly surprised with the overall breadth and depth of this article. Madcoverboy (talk) 15:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Reply. Madcoverboy, thank you for your comments. I have reworked the tornado sentence, including linking to the Lubbock Tornado article, for clarity. I also expanded the captions of the HIV and space shuttle images to connect them with the surrounding prose. I will work to correct the other issues as well. →Wordbuilder (talk) 16:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Comments on images
- There are several non-free logos used in this article. Would there be a way to replace the mascot logos with free images of the mascot from a game?
- Image:TTU Seal 4C.png - I don't see the logo at the source link.
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- Image:TTUamin1923.jpg - I am unconvinced that this non-free image is necessary for the article - the building is not mentioned in the article.
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- Given the age of the image (published before 1964 or 1978), its copyright may not have been renewed implying it is now in the public domain. See United States copyright law. Madcoverboy (talk) 18:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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- When I corresponded with the owner of the photo (about a year ago) he told me that the photo was taken by his grandfather circa 1923-25. The actual photographer is very likely now deceased and it is also likely that any copyright has now expired.--Elred (talk) 19:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Reply. - Fixed (I took the photo).--Elred (talk) 22:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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Please see this dispatch for information on how to correctly tag self-made images. I'm sure these issues can easily be resolved. Awadewit (talk) 18:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Brief comments - Here are my thoughts on the Athletics section.
- I see two instances of "from 1932-1956". Someone recently told me that year ranges like this should be "from 1932 to 1956". If not, I'm pretty sure an en dash is required for these. There's also 1987-2008 later.
- We have a page for the 1993 NCAA Women's Division I Basketball Tournament. Why not provide a link to that?
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- Please remove the stand-alone link for March. And the U.S. dollar doesn't need two links in one section. In an article on an American topic, I'm not sure there even needs to be one.
- Baseball team: If there are links to NCAA Tournaments before, then how about one for NCAA Division I Baseball Championship?
- Having June 2, 2008 is no good. Either link everything or nothing in situations like these.
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I dont claim to have caught all problems in this section, but hopefully this will be helpful for you. Giants2008 (17-14) 21:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
William de St-Calais
Monk, bishop, administrator, traitor and king's advisor, William de St-Calais had a hand in Domesday Book, advised both William the Conqueror and the Conqueror's two sons, and is the subject of the first account of a state trial in English history. As to the nuts and bolts, I've done the research, it's been through GA, PR and a thorough copyedit by User:Brianboulton and User:Malleus Fatuorum to remove my redundancies. Please rip it to pieces so it can improve! (I know that Confraternity leads to a disambiguation page, but it also gives the definition at the top. There is no plain confraternity page at the moment). Ealdgyth - Talk 12:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Image:DurhamCathedralLibBII13Fol102rInitialI a.jpg - For the source, could we get the complete publication information? Also, could we replace "medieval" with some approximate centuries?
- Image:Domesday book e31-2-2-f243.gif - This image lacks a source and an author (I assume the author is unknown?). A fuller description would help other users, too.
- Image:Durham Kathedrale Nahaufnahme.jpg - This image needs author information.
- Image:Durham Cathedral plan.jpg - This image needs a description and an author (did Greenwell draw the plan and write the book?) Also, including Greenwell's birth and death dates would make it easy to verify the PD license.
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I'll review the rest of the article later! Looking forward to it! Awadewit (talk) 15:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't page ranges in inline citations need en dashes? Same with the year ranges in the book titles.
- Links checked out with the link checker tool.
- "Although St-Calais is generally referred with the epithet of Saint Calais or St-Calais, the main source for his life, the monastic chronicler Symeon of Durham, does not call him such." referred with the epithet-->referred to as. How is the monastic chronicler Symeon of Durham the "main source for his life"?
Dabomb87 (talk) 15:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Pilot (30 Rock)
- Nominator(s): [User]Jamie JCA[Talk]
- previous FAC (04:45, 10 June 2008)
Since this article's previous nomination, improvements have been made to the article and a peer review has been completed. I now believe that the article meets the criteria. I'm happy to resolve any problems anyone finds in the article. -- [User]Jamie JCA[Talk] 19:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Comments Sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:43, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Comments on images
- Image:30 Rock season 1 episode 1.png - The fair use rationale should indicate why it is important to have a shot from this particular scene. Who the copyright holder is also needs to be included in the description.
- I'm going to replace that image with a more relevant screenshot anyway so i'll change the rationale. -- [User]Jamie JCA[Talk] 17:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Image:Rachel Dratch and Jane Krakowski as Jenna DeCarlo & Jenna Maroney.png - The fair use rationale should indicate specifically what the major production change was that the images are illustrating. Who the copyright holder is also needs to be included. I'm also not convinced that this comparison is necessary. The text does not say much more than that one actress replaced the other - must the non-free images be used to convey this? There already is a free image of the actress chosen.
I hope these comments help! Awadewit (talk) 15:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
2007 USC Trojans football team
I'm nominating this article for featured article because I believe its ready: after reaching GA status, using Wikipedia:WikiProject College football Peer Review and the general GA review process, it has since undergone a solid peer review. The only precedent for a FA college football season article is the exceptional 2005 Texas Longhorn football team. This article mimics the 2005 Texas style fairly closely; both articles are very long due to the nature of summarizing a 12+ game season. The extra size in the USC article is due to a more extensive "Before the season" outlook and storyline. Beyond the length-issue inherent to these topics, I feel the article is strong and look forward to this process. Bobak (talk) 18:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Comments - I certainly can't claim that this isn't comprehensive. This is a huge article. My method of prose nit-picking will probably not work well with this, but I might as well offer some advice.
- "After the season, USC players did well in the subsequent 2008 NFL Draft..." Don't like "did well", because they didn't really do anything at the time. They were selected based on past performances. Oh, and "ten players" could be changed to "10 players". Depends on how you feel about numbers. In fact, I'm seeing some inconsistent number usage throughout the article.
- Pre-season outlook: "and were expected to again be in the running for the National Championship." The general reader may not know that the Trojans are an annual national power. Some background would be helpful.
- "Booty, along with returning senior-starting tackle (is hyphen needed?) Sam Baker, are ranked as two of the "Top 20 Players Heading Into 2007" by Sports Illustrated." Change are to were.
- "nine of which were Prep Star all-Americans..." Which should probably be whom.
- Move second use of current ref 6 after semi-colon.
- The Mitch Mustain picture should be moved. Pictures below level two section headers can't be on the left side. Either move it to the right or have the photo come on the second paragraph of the section, where it could stay on the left.
- My eyes are glazing trying to read all of this, so let's get to the good part: The biggest upset of the year not involving a I-AA team. (excuse me, Football Championship Subdivision. Whatever.) Jim Harbaugh should be linked. More importantly, I'd swear that his comments about USC were sarcastic; correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm right, this should be reflected in the article.
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- Reply - Added another wikilink as suggested (wasn't sure if I should do it after already using one earlier in the Pre-Season section). His comments were never clearly outlined as being sarcastic: his first comments were simply stating rumors that offending Carroll, and his second comments appeared to be meant to cover up his faux paus on the first --while they may not have been entirely genuine they were never considered sarcastic --rather a "fine, lets just drop the subject." --Bobak (talk) 23:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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- I'm concerned that there's too much secondary information here. For example, Notre Dame has a whole paragraph devoted to their season before the USC game. What is this doing in an article on the USC Trojans? A brief statement or two on an opposing team is great, but I fear this is too much.
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- Reply - In this case I disagree because storylines really color college football, particularly the key games (something that is also reflected in 2005 Texas). In the case of Notre Dame, its a serious rival, and the back stories put the game in the context of that rivalry: the first game at the stadium since the Bush Push, the decision to pre-announce the green jerseys, and the complete FUBAR situation at QB leading into the game, etc. I tried to keep each game section around the same size with some variation for the major games. --Bobak (talk) 23:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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- The Rose Bowl people were criticized for inviting Illinois before the game. Most of it dealt with the fact that they wanted a traditional Big 10-Pac 10 game at all costs. Saying the controversy came only after a blowout is not entirely accurate.
- "the season ended in calls for some form of Football Subdivision playoff." There was tremendous controversy last year before the bowls even started, due to the number of teams with a title-game claim. Some people thought that USC should have played in the title game, though most were put off by the Stanford loss. Maybe the pre-bowl controversy could be discussed briefly, since USC was involved.
My primary concern, however, is the size. Our readibility tool shows 62.0 KB of readable prose and over 10,000 words of prose, a massive total. I worry with articles like this that the size makes it harder to keep the writing, style etc. tight. Good luck with it, though. I may come back to look at more later, but will probably not check the entire article. There's just too much for my style of reviewing to cover in a timely fashion. Giants2008 (17-14) 21:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Reply - Yeah, its hard to cut down on prose in any meaningful way, especially compared to 2005 Texas, which broke out some very large single-game articles like the 2005 Oklahoma vs. Texas football game and 2005 Texas vs. Ohio State football game. These articles are like the blue whales of Wikipedia. Thanks for the input. --Bobak (talk) 23:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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Support — I'm going to offer my support for this article, but I do have a few comments and suggestions. The article is well-written, extremely well-cited, and comprehensive. It's comparable to other featured articles of a similar type, and there's no deal-breaking reason that I can see to deny support at this time. Comments follow:
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- Out of necessity, you use a lot of football terminology and jargon. I've run into problems with that in the past in my CFB FACs, and I'd suggest having a non-American Wikipedian read through the article and simply list points where they don't understand what a term means. I wouldn't have them go into more detail than that to avoid being overwhelmed by the sheer size of the article. Have someone look it over and simply write where they got confused.
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- Reply - I've tried wikilinking the most common, confusing words; and from your earlier recommendation I followed the basis of 2005 Texas and 2005 USC in adding See Alsos to articles on American football rules, American football strategy, American football positions and Glossary of American football --I hope the combination of wikilinks and see alsos will cover all aspects; otherwise this article would get even longer. Its a difficult balance. But if anyone sees anything that could use an additional wikilink, let me know! --Bobak (talk) 15:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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- I see that you've made an effort to do that, for which you deserve a lot of credit. But I'd still strongly suggest you find someone who knows nothing about football to do a quick readthrough and pick out points of difficulty. They may not be wikilinkable items -- simply things that need a bit more explanation as to why they're relevant here. JKBrooks85 (talk) 21:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- There's a few niggling non-encyclopedic phrases that bothered me; "improbable victory" was one that came to mind. I've been going through and changing them as I run across them, but watch out for that sort of thing. Though it makes the prose a bit more boring, it's usually necessary to sacrifice adjectives in order to achieve full impartiality.
- The biggest grammar problem I've found in it is hyphenation; the most notable example of this was things like "33–yard run," which should just be 33-yard run, using a hyphen because you're creating an adjectival phrase describing the run. There's a few other odd little hyphen problems, but I'm going through and fixing them as I run across them, and as I said, they're minor. You've done a good job copyediting it; it's much better than a lot of other articles I've seen put up for FAC.
- For numbers, you'll need to spell out numbers less than 10 in order to follow the MOS. I've gotten a few of these, but I'm sure there's more in the article, lurking around.
- The link-checking tool also returns one dead link entitled "Biggest Upset Ever?"
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- Reply - Right, on this one I was hoping the "accessed on" date would vouch for the fact that I read it when it existed, but it appears its going to be a problem. I'll eliminate it as the facts are covered in the LA Times articles on the game (number of rushing yards, etc). --Bobak (talk) 15:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- As I said at the start, these are all (with the exception of the first comment) minor stylistic considerations and don't keep me from giving you my support for what is an extremely good article that ranks among Wikipedia's best. Congratulations and good work. JKBrooks85 (talk) 09:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Comments
- What makes http://www.scout.com/ a reliable source?
- Likewise http://rivals100.rivals.com/?
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- Reply - Scout.com is one of the most notable recruiting websites (along with Rivals.com); its article here currently is a redirect to its corporate owner, Fox Interactive Media. It has had tie-ins with Sports Illustrated to cover college recruiting, as evidenced here. Actually, ESPN and SI have flipped and now ESPN uses Scout and SI uses Rivals for their high school recruiting information, their college analysis is similarly acceptable. --Bobak (talk) 15:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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- I also will vouch for the authority of these two sites. They're pretty much the biggest names in the business, and Rivals is in partnership/has been bought by Yahoo! as well. JKBrooks85 (talk) 21:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Reply - The sentence it was sourcing was mentioning celebrities at the game, and some of those celebrities were present in pictures on the page in question (the rest with the other two citations for that sentence). There's no issue of reliability in this situation. --Bobak (talk) 15:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Reply - USCRipsIt.com (despite the odd choice of URL) is an official website of the USC Athletic Department, run in conjunction with HC Pete Carroll's own professional website. Proof of this is available on the Athletic Department's football page (look at the bottom); USCRipsIt.com redirects to petecarroll.com for hosting. Thus the positions on these associated websites are official statements, direct from the source. --Bobak (talk) 15:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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- http://fannation.com/blogs/post/65375 deadlinks. Also, what makes this reliable, it's got a blog right there in the url.
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- Reply - Since I can't find any archive of it and have removed it --but this one was by Arash Markazi, which I would've wikilinked if I could've found the archive of the actual post (thus it would've satisfied the exception under WP:SPS). The information was covered in the LA Times articles on the game (number of rushing yards, etc). --Bobak (talk) 15:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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- What makes http://www.ticketcity.com/Top-50-College-Football-Tickets.html a reliable source?
- Double check all references for last access dates. I noticed a couple missing (current refs 230, 231) but don't claim to have caught them all.
- Does the uploader of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz_U3WtAIjY have permission to put this video up? Most stadiums restrict videoing, so I'm not sure we're allowed to link to it. (Video copyright is not an area of specialty here!)
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- Reply - Copyright is something I'm familiar with as an attorney, I was happy to find this clip (as opposed to a part of the actual broadcast) because this sort of usage is fine and will not bring any legal ramifications to this project. Thanks for reviewing all the links, I realize there's a ton. --Bobak (talk) 15:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
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- Otherwise sources look good. Links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Why is Trojans plural, but Cardinal singular? Also, see WP:MOSNUM, no ordinals in dates: On October 3rd it was ... <Go Cards>. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- I can answer that question. The mascot of Stanford is the Cardinal (source). Dabomb87 (talk) 15:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, it is; it's a team. Why is Trojans plural and Cardinal singular when referring to a team? The wording is awkward. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- The Cardinal are always referred to in the singular. See Stanford Cardinal; the nickname is referring to the color cardinal, not the bird. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Not always; I see the change was made in 1981. So I guess there's nothing to be done about how awkward the text reads, mixing singular and plural. If any of those sentences can be recast it might help. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- True, not always, but the article is talking about the game against Stanford in 2007, therefore at the time of the game, it has already been decided that the Stanford be referred to as the singular Cardinal. In any case, I defer to the nominator's (and main contributor's) decision; if he/she wants to change it, that's fine by me. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- I couldn't find any instance in the text where it is strictly necessary to refer to Trojans v. Cardinal; to make the text read less awkwardly, it seems these instances could just be switched to USC v. Stanford. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:38, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Good idea, I've done that. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Looks good; on a complete side note there's a fascinating story about how Stanford went from the Indians to the Cardinal, I recommend finding the story. But yes, they had their "want to be like Harvard" moment and picked the Cardinal (Harvard is the Crimson). The other nickname Stanford is called is "The Farm", an old reference to how it was founded on Leland Stanford's ranch. --Bobak (talk) 19:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Good idea, I've done that. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- I couldn't find any instance in the text where it is strictly necessary to refer to Trojans v. Cardinal; to make the text read less awkwardly, it seems these instances could just be switched to USC v. Stanford. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:38, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- True, not always, but the article is talking about the game against Stanford in 2007, therefore at the time of the game, it has already been decided that the Stanford be referred to as the singular Cardinal. In any case, I defer to the nominator's (and main contributor's) decision; if he/she wants to change it, that's fine by me. Dabomb87 (talk) 17:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Not always; I see the change was made in 1981. So I guess there's nothing to be done about how awkward the text reads, mixing singular and plural. If any of those sentences can be recast it might help. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- The Cardinal are always referred to in the singular. See Stanford Cardinal; the nickname is referring to the color cardinal, not the bird. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, it is; it's a team. Why is Trojans plural and Cardinal singular when referring to a team? The wording is awkward. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Fixed all ordinals in dates. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Comments on images
- There are too many images in this article - in many places, the text is sandwiched between images. See MOS:IMAGES and WP:PICTURE for help on image placement.
- Image:Usc football logo.gif - We need a link to the source website.
- Image:P-danelomario.jpg - Please list the copyright holder and explain in more detail why this image is necessary to the article. Why won't words suffice? I am unconvinced as of yet that a fair use image is necessary in this instance. The player is only briefly mentioned and his death is not better explained through this image.
- Image:PeteCarroll.JPG - It would be nice to copy this to Commons for the use of other users.
- Image:JimHarbaugh2007.jpg - It would be nice to copy this to Commons for the use of other users.
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These should be easy to deal with. Awadewit (talk) 16:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Support as much as I loathe USC, I must say that this is an excellent article. Very well written and referenced. Dare we say too many references. I counted five references regarding the pre-season expectations. But that won't keep me from offering my support. Dincher (talk) 01:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
2002 Bou'in-Zahra earthquake
- Nominator: Editorofthewiki (talk), --LordSunday
- previous FAC (00:49, 15 July 2008)
The previous FAC raised concerns about the article's prose. I think that has been adressed via a peer review. While this is short, it's quite comprehensive, and I think it fulfils the FAC criteria. --I'm an Editorofthewikicitation needed 14:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- Weak Support - Prose concerns have been adressed, but the article is still short. However, I'll co-nom again since I hjelped quite a bit with this article last time. This time I feel that there is a chance the article will pass, but I would have liked to dedicate more time to it. --Meldshal42? 15:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Comments
- What makes http://www.iranmania.com/news/ArticleView/Default.asp?NewsCode=10815&NewsKind=CurrentAffairs&ArchiveNews=Yes a reliable source? I see it's got a (AFP) code at the byline, is that the French News Agency? Maybe you can find the same story in a newspaper?
- I believe that the Iran News (their official newspaper-type paper) runs IranMania. But I think we could find it in a news article, let me check. --LordSunday 15:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
- Otherwise sources look okay. Links check out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Image check complete - descriptions, sources, and licensing look ok. Awadewit (talk) 16:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Simple Comment - Current Ref 2 needs its accessdate formatted properly. It is currently a red link. --haha169 (talk) 00:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
- Support - Excellent work. My concerns about prose from the previous FAC have been addressed very satisfactorily. Nousernamesleft (talk) 00:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Alzheimer's disease
- Nominator(s): OrangeMarlin, garrondo
- previous FAC (03:57, 12 June 2008)
Renominating article. The issues described in the previous previous FAC have been addressed, the article has been copy edited several times, and the references updated. OrangeMarlin Talk•
